

Would you like to unlock the creative, imaginative and innovative potential in your team or organisation…BUT…don’t want to listen to another serious podcast which offers 7 steps, 5 habits, 3 mantras, and a hard sell in a pear tree? Then join ‘The Occupational Philosophers’, a ‘not-so-serious’ podcast with Simon Banks (middle-aged Australian surfer man, artist and published author) and John Rice (middle-aged British man with a love of curiosity and philosophy) as they chat with a ‘clowder’ (great word!) of curious cats from the fields of Comedy, Academia, Philosophy, Neuroscience, Psychology, Design, Marketing, and Business, to explore how you, your team, and your organisation, can develop your curiosity, spark your creativity, and free your imagination, so you can grow your business and your people….sounds great huh?! But don’t just take our word for it, read what our listeners think: “Worth a listen, one of them has a strange Australian accent” “They’re not philosophers, they’re idiots” “If you like business, philosophy, humour, creativity, and imagination, then have a listen - if not, then I would leave well alone” http://www.occupationalphilosophers.com
Episodes

Monday Jan 10, 2022
Monday Jan 10, 2022
In possibly their loosest episode ever (and the bar is pretty low.....), The Occupational Philosophers met up in the time vortex that is the week between Christmas and New Year's Eve where time stands still and people eat leftovers and drink wine from 9 am and feel no guilt whatsoever.
As such, they found themselves wading into unusual territory - setting and achieving new year's goals and some of the common (from experience) pitfalls along the way.
In this time vortex, The Occupational Philosophers explore:
- Why a January advent calendar may be good for your curiosity
- Why habits, not resolutions will help you achieve your goals
- How a goal helps you embrace serendipity
- Why joyous and passionate goals may be the answer to getting your resolutions
- Why you should never say “Cheshire Cat” too quickly after 2 glasses of sherry with a mince pie in your mouth
- Why the word "fervently" should be part of your goal making vernacular, especially for Organisations
- (And slightly more woo-woo than usual)....How the universe will send you good things - if you're not constantly grumpy and in the shits
As per usual, there are thought experiments and for this episode, it's "Filthy Habit or Monk's Habit"?
If you have gotten this far....we can't wait to bring you some more great shows this year that will help you to be the creative, imaginative, and curious cat you were designed to be in 2022 (and apologies in advance for this episode!)
Links
Camel Botox https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-09/camel-beauty-pageant-disqualified-over-botox-injections/100685840
Celebrity Apprentice Australia https://9now.nine.com.au/celebrity-apprentice-australia
Derek Sivers https://sive.rs/goals

Thursday Dec 09, 2021
Thursday Dec 09, 2021
In episode 15, The Occupational Philosophers explore imagination - what it is, why it's so important and why we have oodles of it, ready and waiting for us to use.
So what is it?
“Imagination is not only the uniquely human capacity to envision that which is not, and, therefore, the foundation of all invention and innovation. In its arguably most transformative and revelatory capacity, it is the power that enables us to empathize with humans whose experiences we have never shared.” J.K. Rowling
In this episode, they explore:
- What it is (see above)
- The different types of imagination (it's everywhere!)
- Why it is absolutely essential - in life, in teams, for leaders and organisations
- How to create environments at work that allow people to imagine
- The importance of synchronous and asynchronous work
- How innovation = imagination + action
- Where imagination sits with its best friends of curiosity and creativity
- How to spark your imagination and become unblocked (mentally)
- Why imagination is an essential work and life skill
And, importantly.....Why an imaginative life is SO MUCH FUN
As always there are some great thought experiments including "Imagination Badger"
Here's to a world filled with imagination.

Thursday Nov 25, 2021
Ep.14: Guest episode with Creative and Design Powerhouse Tanya Chua
Thursday Nov 25, 2021
Thursday Nov 25, 2021
In Episode 14, The Occupational Philosophers chat with Tanya Chua, a creative and design powerhouse. She is on a mission to bring more creativity into both education and the greater world. Tanya sits at the intersection of art and design, advertising, visual storytelling, and inspiration. She has been headhunted more times than Mad Men's Don Draper and in a former role, travelled to 35 countries to oversee on-ground PR and be the point of contact for the world-famous DJs that headlined the platform, including Paul Oakenfold, Tiesto, and Pete Tong!
In this episode, they explore:
- The mindset and habits you can adopt to help fuel your own curiosity and creativity
- Why employees having a ‘side hustle’ can be great for your organisation
- How creativity can be a force for good and help solve BIG world problems
- The benefits of visual learning and visual literacy to help foster greater critical thinking
- Why the greatest risk for organisations and leaders is in not being creative
As always, there are some great thought experiments such as:
- Bond Villan Lair or University Island?
- Dessert Island Discs
Links
Tanya Chua@Linkedin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/tanya-chua-2a29877/
Learn more about Tanya’s work at:
https://theunusualnetwork.com/
https://podcast.theunusualnetwork.com/
GIF Festival Singapore
https://www.todayonline.com/entertainment/first-gif-festival-singapore-take-place-october
Visual Literacy with Brian Kennedy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E91fk6D0nwM
The Night Tiger
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Night-Tiger-Yangsze-Choo/dp/1250175453
Creating Innovators
https://www.tonywagner.com/creating-innovators/

Thursday Nov 11, 2021
Ep.13 - Finding your FLOW.......what it is and how to get some
Thursday Nov 11, 2021
Thursday Nov 11, 2021
In episode 13, The Occupational Philosophers explore the concept of FLOW......
Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi was the Godfather of Flow State (and just recently passed away in Oct 2020)
Csikszentmihalyi started his initial observations and studies on artists. He noted that the act of creating seemed at times more important than the finished work itself and he was fascinated by what he called the “flow” state, in which the person is completely immersed in an activity with intense focus and creative engagement. He set his life’s work to scientifically identify the different elements involved in achieving such a state.
He introduced flow theory in the 1970s and designed 9 key steps to achieve a state of flow and the theory of flow has continued to grow and expand on hos great work.
In this episode they explore:
- What flow is
- Why flow matters
- How to be in the flow (or a more modern-day version of in the groove)
- How to create the conditions where an intersection of challenge and activity will enable flow to thrive
- The importance of setting goals to achieve flow
- Why happiness can come from unusual places
- How leaders in organisations can create an environment of flow
- The importance of letting go of ego in finding flow
- Key steps for teams to find their flow
Enjoy the show!
Links
Candi Stanton https://www.theguardian.com/culture/2021/oct/07/candi-staton-i-was-in-a-few-relationships-where-id-think-should-i-kill-them
Candi Stanton "Open my eyes" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stUHKSEB-qE
9 steps to create flow https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/what_mel_brooks_can_teach_us_about_group_flow
Team Flow https://greatergood.berkeley.edu/article/item/what_mel_brooks_can_teach_us_about_group_flow
https://www.stevenkotler.com/rabbit-hole/frequently-asked-questions-on-flow
TED TALK: https://www.ted.com/talks/mihaly_csikszentmihalyi_flow_the_secret_to_happiness?language=en

Thursday Oct 28, 2021
Ep. 12: Accidental Mashups, mess ups and moments of genius!
Thursday Oct 28, 2021
Thursday Oct 28, 2021
In episode 12, The Occupational Philosophers dive into the world of Accidental Mashups, Insatiable Curiosity and how they drive Innovation.
- Why an insatiable curiosity is at the heart of entrepreneurialism (and it's how they see opportunities that other people miss)
- How being open to surprises, coincidences and mistakes we can deliver some fantastic insights that can drive innovation
- Why innovation is never linear (as much as we would like it to be!)
- The importance of asking curious questions and how two key questions kicked off two of the worlds most innovative companies
- How some of our most famous inventions are the result of accidents and unexpected mashups
- Why the most exciting phrase in science is "Mmmmm, that's funny"
- How unexpected incidences can bring around amazing insights - if you are open to them
- Why you should always take the laundry out ahead of answering the telephone
- Maybe it's time to rethink the ven diagram
They also explore such job interview questions such as:
- Why are manholes round?
- Are you a hunter or gatherer?
- What type of tree are you?
As always there are some great thought experiments including:
- Word mashups
- A deep dive into the psychology of choices (and what it says about your life)
Come visit at www.occupationalphilosophers.com

Thursday Oct 14, 2021
Thursday Oct 14, 2021
In Episode 11, The Occupational Philosophers chat with Dr. Brock Bastian - Professor, Melbourne School of Psychological Sciences, University of Melbourne. Brock is a social psychologist whose research focuses on pain, happiness, and morality.
His book, The Other Side of Happiness, was published in January 2018.
Brock completed his PhD in 2007 and since then has published more than 100 peer-reviewed journal articles and book chapters.
His work has been featured in outlets such as The Economist, The New Yorker, TIME, New Scientist, Scientific American, Harvard Business Review, and The Huffington Post, among many others.
He has delivered popular talks, such as at TEDx StKilda, The Ethics Centre Sydney, and Effective Altruism Australia; and appeared on radio shows such as The Minefield.
In this episode, they explore:
- Why pain is good for us
- How believing in the role luck plays in life allows you to take more risks
- How being curious is really important in managing our emotional world
- Why leaders need to share their failures more often
- What helps teams build trust
- How to lead organisations through tough times
As always, there are some great thought experiments such as:
- Guess the source of my pain
- Defend, Live, Party! What hybrid animal would you choose?
Links
http://www.brockbastian.com/book/the-other-side-of-happiness
https://www.lego.com/en-gb/aboutus/news/2021/september/lego-rebuild-the-world-2021
https://tim.blog/2021/09/08/henry-shukman/
What Human Animal Hybrid would you rather fight/hang out with/have at home? Read his article https://theconversation.com/wary-of-human-animal-hybrids-its-probably-just-your-own-moral-superiority-72720
https://www.adamgrant.net/book/think-again

Thursday Sep 30, 2021
Thursday Sep 30, 2021
In episode 10, The Occupational Philosophers celebrate hitting their 10th anniversary episode (who said you shouldn't celebrate the small stuff) and they dive back into the big ideas, themes and curious moments from their guests so far.
On the way they explore:
- Why being human is anything but perfect (and that's OK)
- How creativity and laughter drives connection and those lovely human moments that make life special
- Why we all need to make a mark
- That everything in life doesn't need to be outcome-based
- Why we shouldn't be shy about the 'V' word
- How we should all see the AWESOME in other people
- Why our ability to reimagine is at the heart of an interesting life
- How self-belief and creativity can change the world
- Why a curious mind and a good question can completely change the world we see
They also introduce a new app that can help us all make the most out of life and as always, there are some great thought experiments including a corporate 'would you rather?'
As always, stay curious, make stuff and play more.

Thursday Sep 16, 2021
Thursday Sep 16, 2021
In Episode 9, The Occupational Philosophers chat with Eleanor Tweddle - a podcaster, an entrepreneur, and author, with a best-selling book, Why losing your job could be the best thing that ever happened to you! (and she is also an amazing coach, consultant, and very funny)
After 23 years of corporate life, working for brands such as Costa Coffee, RAC, Virgin Atlantic, and Vodafone, Eleanor found herself redundant and so began a journey of self-discovery - getting really curious and asking herself questions about who she was and how she wanted to be, reimagining a new way of working and living, and connecting with lots of people - and now Eleanor helps other people thrive in the face of redundancy with her own business ‘Another Door’.
Eleanor has been featured in The Guardian, The Financial Times, Glamour, and Grazia.
In this episode, they explore:
- Why staying curious about yourself and what’s possible is key to reimagining your world
- The better question to ask yourself when deciding a way forward
- What individuals, teams, and organisations can learn about providing space for reflection
- Why you should think about what you want to be, rather than what you want to do
They also discover:
- How Lego provides the perfect analogy for life
- Why you should just stop giving a shit
- And why you should never look a penguin in the eye, unless you have a plan
As always, there are some great thought experiments such as:
- Twoddle or Tweddell? Is this saying real or utter hogwash?
- Guess the ‘RE' song and artist
Links
https://www.eleanortweddell.com
https://www.anotherdoor.co.uk/read-the-book
The Wombles https://www.womblesofficial.com/meet-us

Thursday Sep 02, 2021
Ep.8: So Michaelangelo, Leonardo & Freida Kahlo walk into a bar...
Thursday Sep 02, 2021
Thursday Sep 02, 2021
In Episode 8, The Occupational Philosophers dive into the business, life, and leadership lessons we can learn from three very well-known artists.
Starting at the rebirth of humanism, creativity, and curiosity, and a general 'coming out of the dark' (also known as the Renaissance), they take us through the minds of two of the Renaissances shining lights, Michaelangelo and Leonardo Da Vinci.
Keeping a very non-linear history line, they then scoot forward 400 years and spend some time getting to know the amazing Frieda Kahlo better
Along the way they explore:
- The importance of embracing your uniqueness and not hiding away what makes you different (as that's where your talents lie)
- Why we should all be lifelong learners and remembering that not everything is taught in school
- How innovation happens when we join the dots and make connections from wildly different things
- Why it's important to record your ideas and putting them into the world and not just let them idly float by
- How curiosity and asking why can change the way you see the world and the life you live
- Why all leaders need to allow the unique Leonardos' in their teams to shine and thrive
As with all episodes, The Occupational Philosophers discuss what Mona Lisa might have been thinking and conduct some great thought experiments. Are you ready for "Art or Shart?"
As always, there are some great lessons and ways to bring more imagination, creativity, and curiosity into your workplace and how to live a most interesting life in the process.
They hope you enjoy the show.
www.occupationalphilosophers.com

Thursday Aug 19, 2021
Thursday Aug 19, 2021
In Episode 7, The Occupational Philosophers chat with global humanitarian, childhood conservationist, lifelong play enthusiast and founder of The Flying Seagull Project, Ash Perrin.
Since 2008, The Flying Seagull Charity Project has brought love, light and laughter to more than 200,000 children in 23 countries across four continents in challenging and desperate situations, including hospitals, orphanages and refugee camps. They use clowning, magic, games and arts workshops to replace fear and uncertainty with positive human connections based on respect, happiness and laughter.
Ash is the author of ‘The Real Play Revolution’, a Ted Speaker and an all-around creative and joyous person.
In this episode, they explore:
- How play is a universal feeling of liberation, creativity and expression and a safety net for learning
- Why the world is just waiting for your amazing ideas
- How to bring 'play' into the workplace that doesn't make you feel like an idiot
- That the best ideas and the most stupid ideas come out of the same well
- If you are below the age of 99, being asked to grow up is an act of violence
They also dive into:
- The emergence of the Monkey Christ
- Why neck ties should be banned unless fluorescent
- The board of brilliance and the bucket of goodbyes
As always, there are some great thought experiments such as:
- If I were Prime Minister.....
- Is this a real job or not? (Surf barista anyone?)
Links
The Flying Seagull Project https://www.theflyingseagullproject.com/
The Real Play Revolution (book) https://www.amazon.com/Real-Play-Revolution-Need-Silly/dp/1786782235
Ash Perrin Ted Talk https://www.ted.com/talks/ash_perrin_the_power_of_play?language=en
Check out the Bus https://www.facebook.com/flyingseagulls/posts/3741712149233070